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Honest opinion (LGBT community and Politics)

Unread postby Infinity2 » 3rd September, 2017, 6:43 am

I'm just curious about the general opinion of members on the forum:

''Do you feel that the LGBT community is used by politicians based on their desirability to be elected?''
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Re: Honest opinion (LGBT community and Politics)

Unread postby Pity » 3rd September, 2017, 1:36 pm

Yes. The same is true for corporations changing their logos to a rainbow color scheme and including token gay people in their advertisements. Companies are companies. They do not care about social issues. Money is their bottom line and they will do whatever it takes to earn more money, even if that means overcompensating and trying to advertise how LGBT-friendly they are. Oreo is an example of this. Politicians, much like corporations, only care about being elected. Hillary Clinton is a popular example of this as well.
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Re: Honest opinion (LGBT community and Politics)

Unread postby ConnorM » 3rd September, 2017, 3:12 pm

Pity wrote:Yes. The same is true for corporations changing their logos to a rainbow color scheme and including token gay people in their advertisements. Companies are companies. They do not care about social issues. Money is their bottom line and they will do whatever it takes to earn more money, even if that means overcompensating and trying to advertise how LGBT-friendly they are. Oreo is an example of this. Politicians, much like corporations, only care about being elected. Hillary Clinton is a popular example of this as well.

While it's certainly the case that corporations with public stock tend to emphasize profit over everything else, there are certainly many companies that don't, and furthermore, companies are just groups of people. If those people, either at the highest level or lower down, decide to take a position, they will often sincerely work towards that position, using the spare capital that the organization has.
You can see this quite clearly with companies like Chick-Fil-A, which has taken the unpopular stance of being anti-same sex marriage and has suffered for it. There was no economic impetus to make those opinions known. Indeed, had they done the opposite, it would likely have benefited them.
So the same can go with politicians. Yes, many politicians will say whatever it is that will get them elected. On the other hand, some others won't. See for instance John McCain. He's a (lukewarm) supporter of LGBT rights and railed against Trump's pardon of the populist former sheriff Joe Arpaio due to it "undermining the rule of law." Being as he is the senator from the deeply red state of Arizona, it would, by that logic, help his approval ratings to mirror the exact positions of his constituents. However, it is clear that he doesn't.

The difference is between politicians wanting to have power and politicians wanting to do what they see as the right thing. Sometimes these coincide. However, there are certainly both politicians and corporations that will take a hit to stand their moral ground.
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Re: Honest opinion (LGBT community and Politics)

Unread postby (un)creative » 3rd September, 2017, 6:11 pm

Yes. At the end of the day they're politicians. They say whatever makes people vote for them.
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Re: Honest opinion (LGBT community and Politics)

Unread postby Togetik » 4th September, 2017, 6:40 am

Pity wrote:Hillary Clinton is a popular example of this as well.


Donald Trump and his constant flipflop on issues based on the crowd he was talking to and the people around him at that moment is an example of this, not Hillary Clinton having a consistent opinion on pretty much everything and using that as her platform.

Anyway, yeah, corporations want that pink dollar and are willing to cover themselves in rainbows to get it. This isn't actually any kind of bad thing, because they're part of advocacy and have people in them that genuinely support those ideals and the community. They may be cynically playing to an audience a lot of the time, but that's helpful because they're doing the right thing, even if it was done just for popularity's sake.

I have a similar view of politicians here, as long as their support is backed up by actual votes and bills and protections I don't really care if they're just playing to the populous or not. Although, Politicians are more people than corporations and I doubt you get any actual support for LGBT people from politicians that otherwise personally don't. I mean, you see this in conservative parties, that's their base and the line is toed even by people who personally support those kinds of rights.
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