Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

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Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Yes, they're 100% part of our community
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Yes, but they're only sort of a part of the community
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Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Corrdorr » 3rd October, 2017, 7:32 am

The question is simple, should they? I want opinions and people's experiences, if any, to compare with with a friend who is extremely adamant against it.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Woollyhoolly » 3rd October, 2017, 9:00 am

Where can we draw the line from regular hetero not feeling like having sex (due tk reasons) and asexual though
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Woollyhoolly » 3rd October, 2017, 9:00 am

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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Corrdorr » 3rd October, 2017, 9:26 am

Woollyhoolly wrote:Where can we draw the line from regular hetero not feeling like having sex (due tk reasons) and asexual though

Well, that's simple.
Asexuality is not "oh I don't feel like sex" or abstinence, it's the literal absence of sexual desire.
By that definition, an Asexual regardless of their romantic inclinations would deem them queer, and a member of the LGBT. By definition, at least. There's a definite difference between a straight person "not feeling like sex" trying to be a member of the community and an actual member of a minority who needs to be part of an inclusive environment.




For a bit of context, a very close friend of mine was confused about the concept and the discussion quickly devolved to him spewing hate rhetoric about the concept of a "Straight" Asexual. He believes that because they don't face the same prejudices and discrimination as "the rest of us", they don't deserve to be a part of the community and instead form their own one. From the people I've talked to about this in the past, it seems to be an opinion shared exclusively between cis gay men. Which is part of the reason why I'm asking y'all, because that's the main demographic of the forum. Let's open the can of worms!
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Scherzy » 3rd October, 2017, 10:24 am

It's a very clear no for me. With the exception of sexual behavior, "heteroromantic asexuals" are, for all intents and purposes, straight. They are not and have not been subjected to the same experiences, oppression, or culture as the rest of the LGBT. Not enjoying sexual intercourse doesn't make you part of the LGBT community.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Corrdorr » 3rd October, 2017, 9:29 pm

Scherzy wrote:They are not and have not been subjected to the same experiences, oppression, or culture as the rest of the LGBT.


Do you have anything to support that statement? Because most sources and anecdotes I've seen show that the most common things between all asexuals, regardless of romantic attraction, is that they're raped and sexually harassed to try to and "fix" them and make them sexual.

Scherzy wrote:Not enjoying sexual intercourse doesn't make you part of the LGBT community.


I don't know if you're being serious here but ???? Asexuality is not "not enjoying sexual intercourse". It's the absence of sexual attraction and desire. They can still enjoy sex if they ever decide to have it.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Unseasoned Chicken » 3rd October, 2017, 10:08 pm

I think heteromantic asexuals are entitled to be part of the LGBT community on count of their asexuality, regardless of their romantic interests. I think the argument that they aren't oppressed is silly because you don't need to be oppressed to be part of the LGBT community. In fact the ace-erasure that occurs both in society and even LGBT (as witnessed in this thread) is a means of oppression if we were going down that route xx
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby GaycrazyBoi » 5th October, 2017, 5:36 pm

No. Fuck no. Asexuals are not even technically a sexuality. It's the absence of one. Could we call them MOGII? Yes. But could we say they are part of the LGBT umbrella? No. I don't even think Non-binaries are in the LGBT umbrella.

I break it down into this. The "Families" could be broken down further. Namely the Uncertains, LGBT, Asexual, and Other Families. This isn't a shot at the Asexuals, either. I don't have any issues with them, and I'm not going to say it's okay to mistreat them or that their struggle isn't real, but they aren't LGBTs.

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-LGBT Family
-Non-Binary Family (Distinctly different from the trans umbrella)
-Asexuality Family
-Uncertain Family
-Fetishist Family (The "normal" fetishes don't fit. The main ones here are the really weird fringe fetishes that you don't want to know about)
-Other Family (Includes such lovely treats as zoophiles, otherkin, and generally people "normal" society would install in a mental hospital).

Systematic oppression is not a requirement to be LGBT. But I don't think we should keep adding letters to the LGBT umbrella to make more people feel included.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Scorpius X-1 » 5th October, 2017, 9:01 pm

Ace is already part of the LGBTQIA+ umbrella.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Pity » 6th October, 2017, 8:31 pm

I think asexuality is a disorder rather than a sexuality, but I don't really really care if they want to identify under the LGBT+ umbrella. It's nonsense to exclude them just because they don't rank high in the Oppression Olympics.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Scorpius X-1 » 7th October, 2017, 12:11 am

Pity wrote:I think asexuality is a disorder rather than a sexuality, but I don't really really care if they want to identify under the LGBT+ umbrella. It's nonsense to exclude them just because they don't rank high in the Oppression Olympics.

Asexuality is not a disorder.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Pity » 7th October, 2017, 1:16 pm

Scorpius X-1 wrote:
Pity wrote:I think asexuality is a disorder rather than a sexuality, but I don't really really care if they want to identify under the LGBT+ umbrella. It's nonsense to exclude them just because they don't rank high in the Oppression Olympics.

Asexuality is not a disorder.


not having sexual feelings is a disorder ok
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Sokol » 7th October, 2017, 1:25 pm

If you consider asexuality a disorder, homosexuality can be considered as a disorder aswell
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Pity » 7th October, 2017, 1:57 pm

Sokol wrote:If you consider asexuality a disorder, homosexuality can be considered as a disorder aswell


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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Togetik » 7th October, 2017, 9:39 pm

Pity wrote:Image


It's not a straw man, it's pointing out the double standard you're using
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Pity » 8th October, 2017, 12:21 am

Togetik wrote:
Pity wrote:Image


It's not a straw man, it's pointing out the double standard you're using


Normal, healthy individuals experience sexual desire. It's biological. I don't care if they want to identify as LGBT+ at all, though.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Scorpius X-1 » 8th October, 2017, 1:40 am

So asexuals don't feel sexual attraction. So what? Isn't it a bit weird that most people like sex/sticking dick in butt/straight intercourse? And lust over it?

If asexuality is a disorder, than homosexuality is too. And heterosexuality too.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 8th October, 2017, 8:29 am

Pity wrote:Normal, healthy individuals experience sexual desire. It's biological.

You could just as easily say:
Normal, healthy individuals experience sexual desire for the opposite sex. It's biological.

(I actually feel like that's what you might say if you were straight.)

Heterosexual desire is the norm. Homosexual desire and lack of sexual desire are both deviations from the norm. That doesn't make either of them unhealthy or disordered. People of both (dis)inclinations are able to live productive, satisfying lives. Neither causes any suffering or disability in and of itself.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Pity » 8th October, 2017, 11:21 am

I said disorder, not a disability. And it really doesn't matter whether or not asexuality should be considered a sexuality rather than a medical condition like I said in my original post.
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Re: Should Heteroromantic Asexuals Identify as Members of the LGBT?

Unread postby Anonymous Boy » 8th October, 2017, 11:36 am

Pity wrote:I said disorder, not a disability. And it really doesn't matter whether or not asexuality should be considered a sexuality rather than a medical condition like I said in my original post.

So why call it a disorder?
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