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The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Calcifer » 29th January, 2018, 12:42 pm

Oh I don't mean all the risks about our entire lives being online for anyone to stalk - Although that is a danger. Nor do I mean all the risks that might come with cyber bullying, or wasting away your time on whatever distraction there may be, nor its pervasive influence on all aspects of our life.

What terrifies me about the Internet is how interconnected everyone and everything is. Think how many connected devices are in your home right now, probably at least a phone and a computer? Some of you have multiple devices, some are living with family and friends, there's a lot of devices on your router or cell tower.

Of course, that's not a problem in itself. If everything is done right, encrypted and secured, handled properly with proper protocols, then everything is fine! Which it totally isn't most of the time but that's besides the point

However that's just at the user level. When you get higher up, things start to get a little bit more menacing. Think of the Internet - You have all of your devices connected to a router. Your router, and all your streets routers connect to your ISP's line. That line connects to their bigger hub, which connects to another, and so on and so forth. The question is, what do you get when you're near the top?

Surely there must be a set of 'ISP' routers which talk to the bits that make the Internet work? These things exist. The actual theory of all this stuff is to do with graphs and shit, but the important bit are these things called 'ASs' - Autonomous Systems. Each network has one, and they basically have a big old list of who is what. As of early 2018, there were 59000 of these advertised.

Now this is getting a bit too high level, so I'll give you an example. I, Calcifer, want to talk to someone from this forum. Let's pretend that they are on GTFNet, an up and coming ISP for exclusively gay and lesbian people. The route would go something like this:

My PC -> My Router -> Virgin's street link -> Virgin's regional hub -> Virgin's AS -> GTFNet's AS -> GTFNet's hub -> GTFNet's street link -> Your router -> Your machine

Now let's say we have a rival provider, let's call them StraightNet because I'm uncreative. You'd probably assume that something as important as an AS, a system that connects all the major companies to the backbone of the Internet, is secure right? That it's reasonable to say your information is private?

Sure, kinda. See, every AS has its own prefixes it sticks onto every message. Let's say that GTFNet, Virgin, and StraightNet are 000, 007, and 111 respectively. So, my message goes to Virgin and it has an AS that says 'Hey GTFNet, this is my message: 007#Hi' and GTFNet might reply 'Hey Virgin, this is my message: 000#Hi you!'.

The question you might ask is 'Hey, what happens if StraightNET intercepted my message and replaced it with 111#Hi'? A reasonable person might say that shouldn't work but it does. What happens though? Well, instead of going through GTFNet, it goes through StraightNet. This means that they can do a lot of nasty stuff - They could eavesdrop on your messages, delete them entirely, or play them in different orders.

Surely you say, there must be some way to detect this!

There isn't, really. They can detect once its happened, but they can't really see it live unless they're paying attention and watching.

"This surely doesn't happen though!" you may cry but it does unfortunately. Some examples:

Pakistan knocks YouTube out accidentally for a bit

China 'accidentally' hijacked 37000 prefixes (Which was back in 2010, and remember that at the moment in 2018 there are about 59000 of them)

Iran blocking porn breaking bits of the Internet

Russia rerouting Google, Apple, Facebook, etc traffic through their links

Some of these were accidents, some of them weren't. However, the Internet can be disrupted far more easily than you may think.

TlDr: The basic components of the Internet are way more iffy and unsecure than you may think. This is mostly meant to be educational. Although if you feel worried by it, so do I.
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Sokol » 29th January, 2018, 1:47 pm

I feel educated. :english:
I'm happy I read this, to be honest. :keke:
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby swedeam » 29th January, 2018, 2:13 pm

i can't recomend highly enough a ip. adress spoofer to at least some what protect you and your privacy (i've been using one for i while just to stop the nsa from spying on me let alone anyone else)

and yes it scares me very much
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby wolbre04 » 29th January, 2018, 2:46 pm

The NSA only spies on me, steals my phone data, and tracks my search history for the greater good of our people anyways <3
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby swedeam » 29th January, 2018, 2:53 pm

wolbre04 wrote:The NSA only spies on me, steals my phone data, and tracks my search history for the greater good of our people anyways <3
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING

and he wants your lunch money :seb:
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Calcifer » 29th January, 2018, 4:38 pm

swedeam wrote:i can't recomend highly enough a ip. adress spoofer to at least some what protect you and your privacy (i've been using one for i while just to stop the nsa from spying on me let alone anyone else)

and yes it scares me very much


Even that doesn't help you out I'm afraid. Just because you may not have your IP address visible, traffic analysis goes a long way to identifying individuals. True anonymity is harder and harder to get on the Internet these days. Honestly, the best route is to go about your daily business and not to worry who might be listening in. It can't really be stopped, so worrying about it doesn't help matters much.
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby swedeam » 29th January, 2018, 5:10 pm

Calcifer wrote:
swedeam wrote:i can't recomend highly enough a ip. adress spoofer to at least some what protect you and your privacy (i've been using one for i while just to stop the nsa from spying on me let alone anyone else)

and yes it scares me very much


Even that doesn't help you out I'm afraid. Just because you may not have your IP address visible, traffic analysis goes a long way to identifying individuals. True anonymity is harder and harder to get on the Internet these days. Honestly, the best route is to go about your daily business and not to worry who might be listening in. It can't really be stopped, so worrying about it doesn't help matters much.

as i said somewhat, i am aware that thay can still find me :shifty:
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Dolly » 29th January, 2018, 5:20 pm

time to stop using the internet
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Amadeus » 29th January, 2018, 5:26 pm

Too much to read for me. Bläh.

Also, I don't care if my ISP sees me watching porn. They can join me if they want so.
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby wolbre04 » 29th January, 2018, 6:01 pm

Dolly wrote:time to stop using the internet

It's a sad day when I can no longer feel safe using Tor to look up redroom porn, hitmen, and black market cobras for sale
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Calcifer » 29th January, 2018, 6:56 pm

Amadeus wrote:Too much to read for me. Bläh.

Also, I don't care if my ISP sees me watching porn. They can join me if they want so.


Not just your ISPs though - It's anyone. Literally anyone can do this stuff.
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby swedeam » 29th January, 2018, 7:03 pm

who needs hit men just do it your self or throw em to the wolves :jihad:
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby KrisCross » 29th January, 2018, 7:17 pm

This was a really nice read actually, guess I learned something today! Thanks! :keke:

Although it doesn't really discomfort me, I'm one of those people that doesn't really care if everyone and their mother can watch me wanking. :dunno:
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Flower » 30th January, 2018, 11:40 am

I grew up watching a Turkish comedian, Cem Yılmaz and he always made fun of that.

Cem Yılmaz wrote:"What will CIA do if it tracks you? Like;
'Muhittin Topalak from Kazlıçeşme
In relationship with Kezban
KILL HIM!' "


1/3 of the internet is porn. The rest is everything. From the spam mails to intellectual discussions. In order to filter everything, USA made Project Echelon; a machine who listens to the every call made and filters the "dangerous" words. They do that to the internet, sure. I do not think they'll do that to ordinary people but they're able to.

Nothing on the internet ever disappears. This is why I never upload a photo. [ not even social media] If you want to read further, you can check "Opsec" and "Gray Man".
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby Amadeus » 30th January, 2018, 3:07 pm

Calcifer wrote:
Amadeus wrote:Too much to read for me. Bläh.

Also, I don't care if my ISP sees me watching porn. They can join me if they want so.


Not just your ISPs though - It's anyone. Literally anyone can do this stuff.

You can join me if you mean so. I don't mind.
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Re: The Internet is terrifying

Unread postby lionel23 » 4th February, 2018, 12:43 pm

Nice post Calcifer, thanks... :)
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